Re: RT list: Puzzle

From: Jlsperanza@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 20 2004 - 00:35:12 GMT

  • Next message: Guy Politzer: "Re: RT list: Puzzle"

    In a message dated 1/19/2004 4:14:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    frankie.roberto@ucl.ac.uk writes:
    "A boy and his father are walking along a path on the top of a cliff on a
    windy day. A loose stone causes them to loose their grip and they both
    tumble over the edge of the cliff. An ambulance soon arrives on the scene to
    examine the bodies. They conclude that the father is dead, but that the boy
    might still survive. The boy is rushed to hospital and into an operating
    theatre where a surgeon is waiting. Just before the operation is about to
    start, the surgeon looks at the boy and announces 'I cannot operate on this
    boy, he's my son!'"
    Interesting, and evidential of what I may call 'English' thought (or
    metarepresentation, if you wish) -- as opposed, to, say 'French'? Thus, the site

    http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/199903/msg00488.html

    carries the 'parallel' Gallic version,

       "Un père et son fils font de l'escalade. Le fils tombe
       et se blesse gravement. Son père l'emmène aussitôt à
       l'hopital, et quand le chirurgien le voit, il s'écrie: «Mais
       je ne peux pas l'opérer! C'est mon fils!»."

    with the comment:

        [M]ost people can't find [a] key because, in French,
        "le chirurgien" ('the surgeon') is a male-only expression
        which also designates a female surgeon ('la chirurgienne',
        the logical equivalent, doesn't exist). But [French]
        people don't think [about] it and conclude that the boy
        can't have two fathers."

    For the record:

    http://www.womanlinks.com/specials/special030501.shtml

    traces the riddle to [1970s] 'All in the family', while

    http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h93/h9325063/riddle.html

    quotes it -- and a commentary -- from Douglas R. Hofstadter (Metamagical
    Themas, 1985).

    Cheers,

        JL
        J L Speranza

     



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