Banter

From: J L Speranza (jls@netverk.com.ar)
Date: Mon Nov 04 2002 - 16:53:58 GMT

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    E. Nowik writes

    >I am interested in one of the politeness strategies:
    >banter [qua] offensive way of being polite. I want to
    >see if the Theory of Relevance is capable of explaining
    >[it]. Since banter is often connected with irony,
    >it would also be interesting to see if (and how) the
    >treatment of banter [influences] the account of
    >irony offered by the relevance framework. I would
    >appreciate all comments on the subject.

    It may be safely said that it's it's G. N. Leech who 're-introduced'
    'banter' into the pragmatics literature when he used it on p. 144 of his
    _Principles of pragmatics_ -- honouring the phenomenon with the title of a
    'principle', no less:

     "While irony is an apparently friendly way
     of being offensive (mock-politeness), the
     type of verbal behaviour known as 'banter'
     is an offensive way of being friendly
     (mock-impoliteness). The Banter Principle,
     as we may call it [...]"

    Leech is careful here: "the type of verbal behaviour _known_ as 'banter',
    the 'banter' principle, "as we may call it". A look at the OED2 will tell
    you that 'banter' is not really an old word -- well, compared to, say,
    "man" -- and is famously discredited as 'slang' by Swift.

    On the other hand, there's W. R. Roberts, a Classicist who did not doubt,
    when translating Aristotle's _Rhetoric_ (III, 2) to use 'banter' as the
    thing that Aristophanes does in _The Babyloneans_, and thus the thing can
    claim a place in Graeco-Roman antiquity.

      http://www.public.iastate.edu/~honeyl/Rhetoric/rhet3-2.html).
      "Estin au to hupokorizesthai: estin de ho hupokorismos
      ho elatton poiei kai to kakon kai to agathon, hosper
      kai Aristophanes SKOPTEI en _Tois Babuloniois_, anti
      men chrusiou chrusidarion, anti d' himatiou himatidarion,
      anti de loidorias loidoremation kai anti nosematos
      nosemation".--

    Roberts translates:

      "[T]he use of diminutives, which make a bad thing
      less bad and a good thing less good. Take, for instance,
      the banter of Aristophanes in _The Babylonians_ where
      he uses "goldlet" for "gold," "cloaklet" for "cloak,"
      "scoffiet" for "scoff, and "plaguelet.""

    C. Onions (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology) notes that 'banter' is
    first registered as a _verb_ in the entry for Dec. 24 1667 in the Diary of
    S. Pepys. Interestingly, the next registered quote of 'banter' is as a
    _noun_ and (metalinguistically) used by J. Locke in his _Essay of Human
    Understanding_ (chapter on "The Way of Words") to illustrate his
    'ideational theory' of meaning. Locke is like saying: "we don't really have
    a clear idea of what 'banter' is (or means) but this _much_ is certain:
    whoever uses 'banter' _must_ have a clear idea in _her_ mind as to what it
    means!" ("He that first brought the word "banter" in use, put together as
    he thought fit, those ideas he made it stand for." (Locke, Essay Concerning
    Humane Understanding, 3.9.7, 1690) -- This relates to one of Leech's
    problems, as he manages to _define_ 'banter', technically, in terms of
    [Grice's] Quality and Politeness.)

    From Locke on, 'banter' entered, as it were, the English language, and
    curiously enough, attained a different _usage_ in the United States of
    America where for some reason it can mean "a challenge to a race, or
    shooting-match" ("We had a fine banter, but the match was postponed till
    spring", one OED2 cite goes) -- which is _not_ the American type that
    interests Leech, though.

    Leech is ultimately interested, as a Gricean, in what we may call
    "double-reversal". His example being

     "A fine frined YOU are!"

    -- as uttered/'said' "jokingly (say) to a partner who has given away an
    advantage in a card game"). To simplify the account, let us rephrase the
    utterance as

     "You are a fine friend"

    Leech's point is that the interpretation involves at least three stages:

    i. "You are a fine friend" means
       "You are a fine friend"
       
    This Leech calls 'face-value'. Interestingly, it is as much a stage as
    Davidson (or a Davidsonian) would go (as _words_ mean).

    i. "You are a fine friend" means
       "You are _not_ a fine friend"
       -- via irony.
          
    (We are simplifying the account here. Strictly, this second stage belongs
    to _utterer's_ (indirect-speech) meaning ("implicature" if not
    "explicature"); so, it's more like: "By uttering "You are a fine friend" U
    means that A is not a fine friend."

    ii. "You are a fine friend" means
        (ultimately)
        "You _are_ a fine friend".
        
    Since only a fine friend will allow an utterer to make her the object of a
    banter. Or in Leech's words: "Actually, you ARE my friend, and _to show
    it_, I am being impolite to you."

    Grice: between Leech and Davidson.

    Leech's example reminds somehow one of Grice's alleged counterexamples to
    the _necessity_ of his analysis of utterer's meaning ("Examples Directed
    toward Showing the Three-Prong Analysans Too Strong") in the fifth William
    James Lecture (Philosophical Review, vol. 78 -- repr. in Studies in the Way
    of Words), viz. the case of "The countersuggestible man":

        "A regards U as being, in certain areas,
        almost invariable mistaken, or as being
        someone he cannot bear to be in agreement.
        U knows this. U says,

        "My mother thinks very highly of you."

        with the intention that A should (on
        the strength of what U says) think that
        U's mother has a low opinion
        of him." (WOW, p. 107).

    Why is Grice interested in this sort of alleged counterexample? Well, for
    one: it's like testing how 'Davidsonian' (and ultimately "Tarskian") one
    may want to go. Interestingly, Grice shows himself enough of a Davidsonian
    at this stage:

       "Here there is some inclination to say
       that, DESPITE U's intention that A
       should think U's mother thinks ill of
       him, what U _MEANT_ [emphasis Grice's. JLS]
       was that U's mother thinks well of A."
       (p. 107)

    So much for all his excursus on 'implicature' in the second William James
    Lecture!

    This is, too, related to 'playing the dozens' and how aggression is
    expressed (and managed) by African-Americans. For some reason, Leech
    associates 'banter' with 'playing the dozens', and quite transparently writes:

      "This language game depends for its
      effect on the understanding that the
      allegations made by each party are
      recognised as untrue, and therefore on
      the fact that they cannot be mistaken
      for real insults".

    Having never engaged in the dozens, I can't really tell (can I). But I
    wonder if _Leech_ can! There is an online story, "Playing the Dozens",
    where the point is made that the game is indeed and ultiamtely a 'hateful'
    one. Whatever its characterisation, Davidson (and Tarski, and Grice) would
    say that, if you do say -- and I'm using a soft snap here -- from a list
    appended below:

       "Your mother has so many crabs she walks sideways."

    we would have here "some inclination" to say that what U means is that
    [A's] mother has so many crabs she walks sideways.

    Interestingly, as much as I respect Leech's theory of banter, it is
    somewhat difficult to even start to rephrase the snap to make it fit
    Leech's framework. Leech (or a Leechian) would have it that, via irony, the
    utterance becomes:

       "Your mother has _not_ that many
       crabs she walks sideways."
      
    Or, a la Strawson, _Introduction to Logical Theory_, on "~": "It is not the
    case that your mother has so many crabs she walks sideways."

    This would, via the 'banter' strategy, become

       "Actually, your mother _does_ have so many crabs
       she walks sideways."

    -- which is a very roundabout sort of a compliment, if you 'ax' me (but
    which _would_, if you ax Leech instead).

    (Admittedly, it is a trick example I use for there's an in-built irony here
    -- relying on a literal utterances such as 'a crab walks sideways' -- which
    turns the "snap" regarding the side-walking crab-infested mother as a
    self-defeater as a _truth-conditional_ utterance a la Davidson-Tarksi.

    (Note incidentally that while I would have problems _erasing_ the
    dysphemistic power of the snap, I don't happen to regard the
    ever-stereotypical "You, motherf*cker, you" as much of an "explicated"
    insult (via "explicature", that is). For one, as L. Horn would have it,
    it's after only via a cancellable _implicature_ (through R-strengthening)
    that the autophor is generated and the interpretant given as one being the
    copulator of _one's own_ mother -- but I disgress).

    The title of Leech's book is _Principles of Pragmatics_, a nice pun (or is
    it 'banter'?) on 'principle' qua "an introduction to..." and on 'principle'
    as (again ironically) used by Grice in the title of the 'Cooperative
    Principle'. I thus agree with one of the OED2 quotes under 'banterer':

      "To talk of .. Maxims ...
      [and of Principle. JLS]
      Is to be ... thought a
      Banterer."
        
    as says E. Walker in the Epictetus Mor. 1692 (lxvii). Grice is after all
    merely 'echoing' Kant, and don't Sperber/Wilson claim that much irony is
    mere 'echoic use'?

    Leech is probably bantering, too, when he honours the thing as "the banter
    principle", with the guarded phrase, "_as we may call it_". His guardedenss
    concerns 'banter', but it may also concern the grand-sounding "principle".
    In Leech's framework, the 'banter principle' gets expressed, aptly enough,
    a la Kant's Categorical Imperative and Grice's Cooperative Principle, in
    the imperative-mood (or mode):

      "In order to show solidarity with A [addressee], say
      something which is
      i. obviously untrue, and
      ii. obviously impolite to A."

    It is worth noting that, whatever Locke's troubles with defining 'banter'
    (qua noun signifying a "complex" idea) were, for Leech, 'banter' gets
    technically _analysed_, as per the two clauses above, in terms of (we may
    say) "QUALITY" -- Grice's "Try to make your contribution one that is true
    -- do not say what you believe to be false" -- _AND_ "Be polite!".

    Leech's "banter principe" thus relies on both the cooperative principle
    (and thus on quality) _and_ politeness.

    This liberal use of "principles" apart, I don't happen to see Leech's
    framework as clashing too strongly with Grice's original framework. After
    all, Grice did consider that politeness may take the form of a 'maxim',
    when immediately after introducing the four maxims of
    Quantity/Quality/Relation/Manner comprising the Cooperative Principle he
    writes:

       "There are, of course, all sorts of
       _other_ maxims (aesthetic, social, or
       moral in character), such as 'Be polite,'
       that are normally observed by participants
       in talk exchanges, and these may _also_
       generate nonconventional implicatures."

    But such maxims would not pertain, Grice thought, to the 'goals' of
    communication/conversation he regarded as 'central', being thingies that
    merely do with saving your face (as Goffman would put it). -- The way a
    standard Gricean would react to Leech's framework (as it incorporates the
    'banter' principle) would be to deny the thing the status of a 'principle';
    (this a mere terminological point) be careful not to call the thing a
    generator of a _conversational_ implicature; and regard that what Leech has
    identified is yet another strategy that may be shaped (but then that may be
    not) in a _particular_ conversational setting.

    Cheers,

    JL

    ===

    Appendix 1: 'banter' definitions and cites in the OED2. "banter". Etymology
    unknown. The noun was treated as "slang" by Jonathan Swift in 1688. In his
    'Apology' to _A Tale of a Tub_ (1710), he says that 'banter'

      "was first borrowed from the bullies in White Friars,
      then fell among the footmen, and at last retired
      to the pedants".

    In _The Tatler_ No. 230, he classes it with "bamboozle", "country put", and
    "kidney", as a word "invented by some pretty Fellows" and "now struggling
    for the Vogue." Earliest cites include:
    * 1690 John Locke,
      An Essay Concerning Humane Undersanding III. ix. Sect.7:
      "He that first brought the word "banter"
      in use, put together as he thought fit,
      those ideas he made it stand for."
    * 1710 SWIFT Tatler No. 230 P 7:
      "I have done my utmost for some years past to
      stop the Progress of Mobb and Banter."
    * 1722 WODROW Corr. (1843) II. 659
      "Such plain raillery, that unless I should
      learn banter and Billingsgate, which I still
      thought below a historian, there is no
      answering it."

    The OED2 fails to note a point by C. Onions in _The Oxford Dictionary of
    English Etymology -- viz the earliest cite ever: Pepys 1667

      banter: ridicule good-humouredly;
      also sb. XVII (the vb. is used by
      Pepys, 'Diary', 24 Dec. 1667). Of unkn.
      origin; its introduction and vogue are
      referred to by Locke ('An Essay
      Concerning Human Understanding', III ix
      s. 7) and Swift ('Tale of a Tub, Apol.',
      and 'Tatler' No. 230).]

    Signification(s) -- according to the OED2
    1. 1. Wanton nonsense talked in ridicule of a subject or person.
       2. Hence: humorous ridicule generally
       3. good-humoured raillery, pleasantry.
       Cites:
    * 1702 Eng. Theophrast. 232:
      "The ordinary reasons of War and Peace,
      are very little better than Banter and Paradox."
    * 1705 S. WHATELY in Perry Hist. Coll. Amer. Col. Ch. I. 172:
      "I know no better way of answering bombast,
      than by banter."
    * 1710 SWIFT T. Tub (1760) Apol. 11
      "Peter's Banter (as he calls it in his
      Alsatia phrase) upon transubstantiation."
    * 1844 DICKENS Mar. Chuz. (C.D. ed.) 249
      "She took it for banter, and giggled
      excessively."
    * 1880 L. STEPHEN Pope v. 113
      "Gay had an illimitable flow of
      good-tempered banter.
    2. an given _instance_ of such ridicule, a merry jest.
       Cites:
    * 1700 Ch. Eng. Loyalty in Somers Tracts II. 562
      "'Tis such a Jest, such a Banter, to say,
      we did take up Arms, but we did not kill him:
      Bless us, kill our King, we wou'd not have
      hurt a Hair of his Head!"
    * 1759 DILWORTH Pope 80:
      "Satires on the nobility of both sexes,
      banters upon good authors."
    * 1822 W. IRVING Braceb. Hall xvii. 147
      "The general had received all her approaches with
      a banter."
    3. a matter of ridicule or jest.
      Cite:
    * 1719 D'URFEY Pills (1872) I. 167:
      "Your zeal's a Banter to all men of Sense."
    4. (U.S.) A challenge to a race, shooting-match, etc.
       Cites:
    * 1835 LONGSTREET Georgia Scenes 26
      "No, said Peter, you made the banter, now
      make your pass."
    * 1848 in BARTLETT Dict. Amer.
    * 1861 WINTHROP John Brent (1883) ii. 16
      "I'm goan to make yer a fair banter."
    * 1872 SCHELE DE VERE Americanisms 439
      "We had a fine banter, but the match was
      postponed till spring."
      Qua verb:
    1. 1. To make fun of (a person).
       2. To hold up to ridicule, 'roast'.
       3. To jest at, rally, 'chaff', of good-humoured raillery.
       Cites:
    * 1676 D'URFEY Mad. Fickle v. i. (1677) 50
      "Banter him, banter him, Toby. 'Tis
      a conceited old Scarab, and will yield
      us excellent sport."
    * 1741 RICHARDSON Pamela (1824) I. 112
      "You delight to banter your poor servant,
      said I."
    * 1824 W. IRVING T. Trav. I. 91
      "Hag-ridden by my own fancy all night,
      and then bantered on my haggard looks
      the next day."
    * 1865 CARLYLE Fredk. Gt. IX. xx. vi. 116
      "Poor Quintus was bantered about it,
      all his life after, by this merciless King."
    2. To ridicule, make a jest of (a thing).
       Cites:
    * 1704 W. PERRY Hist. Coll. Amer. Col. Ch. I. 180
      "Turns his Pulpit to a Stage,
      And banters reformation."
    * 1754 CHATHAM Lett. Nephew iv. 24
      "If they banter your regularity, order,
      and love of study, banter in return their
      neglect of them."
    3. 1. To impose upon (a person), originally in jest
       2. to delude, cheat, trick, bamboozle.
      Cites:
    * 1688 VILLIERS (Dk. Buckhm.) Confer. (1775) 174
      "'Tis impossible, that all my senses
      should be banter'd and cheated."
    * 1710 Select. Harl. Misc. (1793) 561
      "There was no bantering the commissioners
      named in the bill, because they knew
      them to be men of sense, honour, and courage."
    * 1722 DE FOE Moll. Fl. (1840) 60
      "We diverted ourselves with bantering several
      poor scholars, with hopes of being at least his
      lordship's chaplain."
    * 1815 SCOTT Guy M. li,
      "Somebody had been bantering him with
      an imposition."
    4. "to banter out of": to do out of by banter.
       Cites:
    * 1687 T. BROWN Saints in Upr. Wks. 1730 I. 74
      "To banter folks out of their senses."
    * 1721 AMHERST Terrae Fil. xxxvii. 195
      "We will not be banter'd out of it
      by false parallels."
    5. absol. or intr. usages:
      Cites:
    * 1688 SHADWELL Sqr. Alsatia I. i. 15
      "He shall cut a sham, or banter with the
      best wit or poet of em all."
    * 1707 FARQUHAR Beaux' Strat. v. iii. 63
      "He fights, loves, and banters, all in a Breath."
    * 1865 GROTE Plato I. vii. 291
      "His..homely vein of illustration seemed
      to favour the supposition that he was bantering."
    6. (U.S.) To challenge, defy, to a race, match, etc.
      Cites:
    * 1810 F. CUMING Sk. Tour Western Country 135
      "Two hunters..bantered each other
      to go out and kill a deer."
    * 1834 CARRUTHERS Kentuckian in N.Y. I. 183,
      "I was thinking of walking out into the
      country and bantering somebody for a
      footrace."
    * 1836 D. CROCKETT Exploits in Texas 83
      "The black-leg set to work with his thimble
      again, and bantered me to bet."
    * 1848 in BARTLETT Dict. Amer. 1860 Knickerbocker Aug. LVI. 221
      "The farmer again bantered him to buy his berries."
    * 1872 E. EGGLESTON End of World xxvi. 177
      "The cards were put face down, and the
      company was bantered to bet the wine."
    * 1902 HARBEN Abner Daniel 163
      "Colonel Barclay has..bantered me for a trade time an' again."
      "banterer"
    1. 1. One who turns things into ridicule.
       2. One who indulges in good-humoured jest or raillery.
       Cites:
    * 1678 WOOD Life 6 Sept. (D.)
      "The banterers of Oxford (a set of scholars so called,
      some M.A.), who make it their employment to talk
      at a venture, lye and prate what nonsense they please;
      if they see a man talk seriously, they talk
      floridly nonsense, and care not what he says."
    * 1691 WOOD Ath. Oxon. I./834
      "He being a reputed Banterer, I could never believe
      him."
    * 1692 E. WALKER Epictetus' Mor. lxvii,
      "Amongst rude Ignorants..To talk of Precepts, Maxims,
      and of Rules, Is to be laugh'd at, thought a
      Banterer."
    * 1706 COLLIER Refl. Ridic. 130
      "Profess'd Banterers chuse rather to
      disoblige their best Friends, than to lose
      the opportunity of speaking their Jest."
    * 1847 H. GREVILLE Leaves fr. Diary 205
      "Amusing, but too much of a banterer to
      please me."
    2. One who imposes on, or bamboozles.
      Cites:
    * 1709 STEELE Tatler No. 12 P 1
      "Gamesters, banterers, biters..are, in their
      several species, the modern men of wit."
    * 1712 ARBUTHNOT John Bull (1727) 58
      "A sort of fellows, they call banterers and
      bamboozlers, that play such tricks."
    * 1849 MACAULAY Hist. Eng. I. iii. 369
      "An excellent subject for the operations of
      swindlers and banterers."

    Appendix 2: Playing the Dozens.

    http://www.online-magazine.com/snaps.htm

    "The expression "playing the dozens" means to taunt another person by
    taunting, kidding, "jiving," teasing or insulting their family -- in
    essence, to use "snaps." This "gaming" has deep roots in the humour,
    personality, and social relationships of Black Americans. Across the coutry
    there are many names for "playing the dozens", such as
         "capping",
         "cracking",
         "bagging",
         "dissing",
         "hiking",
         "joning",
         "ranking",
         "ribbing",
         "serving",
         "signifying",
         "slipping",
         "sounding", and
         "snapping".
    While the names vary, the rules of the game remain the same. Playing the
    dozens is _more_ than a game of fun -- it is a battle for respect. It is an
    exhibition of emotional strength and verbal agility, a confrontation of
    wits instead of fists. The dozens is a war of words -- perhaps the best
    type of war there is. This verbal tradition combines elements of boxing,
    chess, and poetry. In a contest demanding the poise and power of a boxer,
    the aim is not just to win but to deliver a knockout. Fought before a
    crowd, the verbal pugilist wants not only his opponent but all who witness
    to think twice about confronting him or her again. Like chess, playing the
    dozens requires a strategy. To win a battle, you must stay two or three
    snaps ahead of your opponent. Even as you are being attacked, you should be
    setting up your COUNTER-snaps. Should I say something about his Fayva
    shoes? Or perhaps attack his fat sister? I'll save my best shot for his
    Kmart cologne. This is the type of strategic thinking that makes a master
    snapper. Painting humorous pictures of your opponent through words is key
    to becoming a dozens laureate. "You're so fat, your blood type is Ragu" is
    an actual snap fired in a legendary battle at New York's Frederick Douglass
    Projects. The picture created by this verbal H-bomb still haunts the victim
    to this day. Snaps have to be delivered properly in order to work
    effectively. The setup -- "Your mother is so fat..." -- is a classic
    example of how to cock the hammer for the ensuing snap --" ... she broke
    her arm and gravy poured out." Like the firing of an individual snap, the
    delivery of a series of snaps requires a rhythm. You might loft your
    initial snaps slowly, then fire the successive barrage with increasing
    speed. Members of the audience serve a number of fundamental roles in
    playing the dozens. First, they are needed to witness the event. Playing
    the dozens without an audience is like launching fireworks in daylight.
    Second, they are responsible for recording the verbal history of the
    battle, and then for spreading it throughout the community. Third, they
    fuel the conflict by responding to the snaps, and it is their reaction that
    determines the ultimate winner." -- FAQ

    * Q: How do you get the audience on your side?
      A: Drawing the crowd's laughter at your opponent is what wins battles.
    To elicit laughter, you must *recognise* what makes the audience laugh.
    First, your snaps must be clever, original, and appear to have been crafted
    solely for your opponent. Second, a snap that touches a shared reality is a
    good bet. E.g. "Your family is so poor, your father's face is on food
    stamps." Third, after snapping, you should occasionally eye the crowd.
    This will keep them laughing at your snaps, in fear of becoming a target if
    they don't.

    * Q: Why is "your mother" so often the subject of snaps?
      A: Like the proverbial "Mom" tattooed on a sailor's arm, there is nothing
    more dear to a man than his mother. Mother snaps go to the soft underbelly
    of your opponent. In the early days of snapping, mother jokes were the big
    guns. Their deployment was saved as a last resort -- one that often
    elicited the response, "Don't talk about my mother!". Nowadays, "your
    mother" is a stylized opening of most snaps. In fact, they are also
    commonly referred to as "mother jokes".

    * Q: Where is the dozens played?
      A: In playgrounds, on subways, at pizza parlours, in the classroom, on
    street corners, in locker rooms -- anywhere peers hang out. A game of the
    dozens can be sparked by contact on the court or words exchanged on the
    street. Increasingly, you can see the dozens played in comedy clubs as
    comedians defend themselves against audience hecklers. Some comedians get
    more laughs from snapping on the audience than from their routines.

    * Q: What is the distance that I should maintain between myself and my
    opponent?
      A: You may get as close as you want to your opponent without making
    physical contact. Spatial relations are an important aspect of the game.
    You can use distance to heighten the effect of a snap. A snap punctuated by
    a hip shake, fluttering eyes, or lewd hand motion needs space in order for
    the audience to appreciate the effect of your body language. When the snap
    is composed of words alone, closing in on your opponent may enhance the
    power of the attack.

    * Q: Do women play the dozens?
      A: Historically, the dozens has been a male experience, but women are
    playing in increasing numbers. Fortunately for men, most battles remain
    within the sexes.

    * Q: What do you wear when playing the dozens?
      A: It is smart to wear clothes that do not give ammunition to your
    opponent. Battling while wearing a strange outfit could be a death wish. If
    you sense that you might be drawn into the dozens on any given day, be
    prepared not only with your wit but with your wardrobe.

    * Q: Do you need a loud voice to win a game?
      A: No. What is important is that you be aware of what kind of voice you
    have, and use it to your advantage. If you are soft-spoken, do not try to
    yell, the audience will misinterpret the straining of your voice as a sign
    that your opponent is landing his snaps effectively. Instead, speak softly
    and carry a big snap. In short, the dozens is a thinking person's game.
    However, the tradition lives on because the game has soul. Ultimately,
    mastery of the dozens demands that you go to that place where humour,
    anger, joy, and pain all reside. It is from that cauldron that the greatest
    snaps are born and delivered.

    Some samples of Snaps.
    * "Stupid & Ugly" Snaps:
    You're so stupid, it takes you an hour to cook Minute rice.
    You're so dumb, you think Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company.
    Your girlfriend is so stupid, the first time she used
    a v- she cracked her two front teeth.
    You're so dumb, if you spoke your mind you'd be speechless.
    Your sister is so stupid, she went to the baker for a yeast infection.
    You're so dumb, you failed Romper Room.
    Your mother is so dumb, she couldn't pass a blood test.
    You're so stupid, you asked for a price check at a 99˘ store.
    You were so ugly at birth, your parents named you "[expletive deleted]
    Happens".
    Your brother is so ugly, when he sits in the sand the cat tries to bury him.
    Your girlfriend is so ugly, you gave her a hickey and got a mouthful of fur.
    You're so ugly, you couldn't get laid if you were a brick.
    * "Body" Snaps:
    Your [expletive deleted] are so small, you have to tattoo "front" on your
    chest.
    Your mother has one leg longer than the other and they call her Hip-Hop.
    Your sister is so skinny, her bra fits better backward.
    Your sister is so skinny, she could win the Miss Somalia pageant.
    Your mother is so crossed-eyed, she thinks her only child is a twin.
    Your girlfriend has so much hair on her chest, her tits look like coconuts.
    Your teeth have more tartar then Red Lobster.
    Your sister is so bucktoothed, she can eat corn on the cob through a fence.
    You're so skinny, Sally Struthers sends you food.
    Your mother is so fat, she broke her arm and gravy poured out.
    Your father is so fat that when he rubs his thighs together, I swear I
    smell bacon.
    Your mother is so fat, she's got more chins than Chinatown.
    Your mother is so fat, her blood type is Ragu.
    Your mother is so fat, when she dances the band skips.
    * "Old" & "Smelly" Snaps:
    Your breath smells like Cheez Doodles--light on the cheese and heavy on the
    doo-doo.
    Your breath smells so bad, people on the phone hang up.
    Your mother is so old, she was a waitress at the Last Supper.
    Your grandmother is so old, she wrote the foreword to the Bible.
    Your mother is so old, she knew Burger King when he was just a prince.
    Your mother is so old, her Social Security number is in Roman numerals.
    Your mother is so old, her Social Security number is 1.
    * "Poor" Snaps:
    Your family is so poor, your mother calls TV dinner trays her good china.
    Your parents are so poor, they got married for the rice.
    Your car is so old, they stole the Club and left the car.
    * "Sex" Snaps:
    I heard you were getting sex all the time until your wrist got arthritis.
    Your father is like cement--it takes him two days to get hard.
    Your mother is like a doorknob because everyone takes a turn.
    The only difference between your girlfriend and
      a subway is that everybody hasn't ridden a subway.
    When I see a Christmas card that says "ho-ho-ho," I know to address it to
    your sister.
    Your mother has so many crabs she walks sideways.
    You're so horny, the last time you felt a breast it came out of a KFC bucket.

    ==

    Appendix 3: Extracts from Leech's _Principles of Pragmatics_:
    "If we acknowledge the existence of an irony principle, we should also
    acknowledge other 'higher-order principle' which has the opposite effect.
    While irony is an apparently friendly way of being offensive
    (mock-politeness), the type of verbal behaviour known as 'banter' is an
    offensive way of being friendly (mock-impoliteness). ... The Banter
    Principle, as we may call it, is clearly of minor importance compared with
    other rhetorical principles ... But it is
    manifested in a great deal of causal linguistic conversation, particularly
    among young people.
    (A ritualised form of banter is the activity of 'sounding' (a ceremonial
    exchange of insults) practiced in the black community of New York, as
    studied by W Labov, "Rules for Ritual Insults". This language game depends
    for its effect on the understanding that the allegations made by each party
    are recognised as untrue, and therefore on the fact that they cannot be
    mistaken for real insults). In a game of chess, one person may say jokingly
    to another:
      "What a mean cowardly trick!"
    referring to a particular clever gambit. Or two friends may greet one
    another with remarks such as
      "Here comes trouble!" or
      "Look what the cat's brought in!"
    This principle may be expressed as follows: In order to show solidarity
    with A, say something which is i. obviously untrue, and ii. obviously
    impolite to A. Like irony, banter must be clearly recognised as unserious.
    Since overpoliteness ... can have the effect of signifying superiority or
    ironic distance, UNDERpoliteness can have the opposite effect of
    establishing or maintaining a bond of familiarity. The reason is this. A
    low value on the scales of authority and social distance correlates with a
    low position on the scale of politeness; i.e. the more intimate the
    relationship, the less important it is to be polite. hence lack of
    politeness in itself can become a sign of intimacy; and hence, the ability
    to the impolite to someone in jest helps to establish and maintain such a
    familiar relation-ship. The implicature derived from the Banter Principle
    is just the opposite of that derived from the Irony Principle: What U says
    is impolite to A and is clearly untrue. Therefore, what U really _means_ is
    polite to A and true. We might go so far as to call the Banter Principle a
    "_third_ order" principle, because it may itself exploit irony. Banter
    could be described as mock-irony in cases like
      "A fine frined YOU are!"
    said jokingly (say) to a partner who has given away an advantage in a card
    game. The intepretation of this utterance requires a double reversal of
    values:
      i. You are a fine friend. (face-value).
     ii. By which I mean that you are NOT a fine friend (Irony Principle).
    iii. But actually, you ARE my friend, and to show it, I am being impolite
    to you (Banter Principle)."

    ==

    Appendix 4: Various Google hits for 'banter' and Grice:

    * banter: [17c: origin uncertain. Swift regarded it as vulgar slang]. A
    kind of badinage, often with a butt who cannot easily answer back. When
    young Smith, normally a sloven, comes to work one day all brushed and
    groomed and wearing a suit, his colleagues enjoy shouting such comments as
    'Lock up your daughters!' and 'A vision of loveliness!' See Badinage,
    Humo(u)r [Style] W.N. T. Mcarthur, The Oxford Companion to the English
    Language.
    http://www.xrefer.com/entry/441148

    * ... to the Politeness principle as Grice's maxims stand to the CP. The
    main ones are Tact, Generosity, Approbation, Modesty, Agreement and
    Sympathy. Banter's "being obviously ...
    http://www.uibe.edu.cn/upload/up_yjsb/yanhui/ xueshuqianyan/luntan/18.htm

    * Key concepts in ELT
    Based on Grice's theory, therefore, the earlier utterance `Can you play the
    piano ... as
    the Politeness Principle, the Irony Principle, and the Banter Principle . ...
    http://www3.oup.co.uk/eltj/hdb/Volume_48/ Issue_01/freepdf/480100.pdf

    * Sheffield Hallam Working Papers: Linguistic Politeness and ...
    Grice, 1975) in order to reduce the relational distance in the interaction.
    ... and three
    of these had substantial and prolonged sequences of humorous ‘banter’. ...
    http://www.shu.ac.uk/wpw/politeness/grainger.htm

    * Pragmatics Chen Lulu The Banter Principle. ... 1. Two Cases of The Banter
    Principle.
    According to Leech, the banter principle might be expressed as follows: ...
    http://www.uibe.edu.cn/upload/up_yjsb/yanhui/ xueshuqianyan/luntan/18.htm

    * The Banter Principle
    http://www.uibe.edu.cn/upload/up_yjsb/ yanhui/xueshuqianyan/luntan/

    * EL4204 Honours: Session No. 9
    Banter Principle: another sub-principle (being impolite on the surface
    only) 5.
    Various scales (a) Cost-benefit scale (b) Indirectness scale (c)
    Optionality ...
    http://www.courses.nus.edu.sg/course/elltankw/honours/9.pdf

    * EL4204 Session 10
    (a) Within the Interpersonal rhetoric would be the Cooperative Principle,
    the Politeness Principle, the Irony Principle, the Banter Principle, the
    Interest Principle, etc. ...
    http://www.courses.nus.edu.sg/course/elltankw/honours/10.pdf

    * Passion, pop and self control
    According to Grice's Cooperation Principle without the shown ... saying the
    "truth", politeness, the second principle ... 7.5, According to Leech,
    irony and banter ...
    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/VOLUME03/ Passion_pop_selfcontrol.html

    * ISLP99Abstract
    ... for investigations of cross-cultural communication (Grice 1989, Fraser
    ... may be expresions of anger , instances of what Leech (1983) calls
    banter, or ritual ...
    http://www.pioneer.chula.ac.th/~hkrisada/ Politeness/Abstracts.html

    * The Workshop on Historical Pragmatics at ICEHL 12
    Biber, Douglas, Stig Johansson, Geoffrey Leech, Susan Conrad ... we
    consider communicative
    principles such as Grice's maxim of ... be it by means of banter, irony, or
    ...
    http://www.jan.ucc.nau.edu/~smw/icehl/abstracts.html

    * Literary Background
    This goes back to a medieval genre represented by ... the name of
    "raillery," or sometimes
    "banter"-and while ... clear concept could be expressed in English-and that
    ...
    http://www.alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~ham/lis353/genres.htm

    * banter. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English ...
    ... The American Heritage ® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth
    Edition. 2000. banter. SYLLABICATION: ban·ter. PRONUNCIATION: b ...
    http://www.bartleby.com/61/49/B0064900.html

    * josh. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language ...
    See synonyms at banter. NOUN: A teasing or joking remark. ... The American
    Heritage ® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. ...
    http://www.bartleby.com/61/46/J0064600.html

    * HyperDic, Online English Dictionary > banter
    HyperDic > banter. ... HyperDic is a hyper-dictionary of English, based
    on WordNet, a semantic web of English words. This version links ...
    http://www.hyperdic.net/dic/b/banter.shtml

    * Rhetoric by Aristotle
    "the banter of Aristophanes in the Babylonians where he"
    http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/rhetoric.3.iii.html

    * Rhetoric By Aristotle
    "Take, for instance, the banter of Aristophanes"
    http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/rhetoric.3.iii.html

    * Rhetoric by Aristotle
    "Take, for instance, the banter of Aristophanes"
    http://www.theologywebsite.com/etext/ aristotle/rhetoric3.shtml

    * Aristotle, Rhetoric Bk. III
    "Take, for instance, the banter of Aristophanes"
    http://www.missouri.edu/~engjnc/texts/aristotle_rhetoric/ rhetIII.html

    * Tacon 1..9999
    of the exordium, as laid down by Aristotle in his treatise on rhetoric. ...
    Informal
    banter, insults, and barbed comments regarding an opponent's policies or ...
    http://www.www3.oup.co.uk/gromej/hdb/Volume_48/ Issue_02/pdf/480173.pdf

    * "They shout approval through their silence." Cicero, I, 8.21 " ...
    do not tend to stoop to the level of everyday banter and phatic ... with
    such editorial
    comments are vital features of Greek and Roman rhetoric: they belong to ...
    http://www.philosophy.berkeley.edu/html/courses/f02/
    290-4_f02/pdf/02_290-4_handout.pdf

    * Fr. Nicoll's Course Website
    Rabelais with his destructive banter, and of ...
    http://www.loyno.edu/~nicoll/meditaly.htm

    * Othello
    Iago relieves with some typically cynical banter;; ...
    http://www.shunsley.eril.net/armoore/shakespeare/othello.htm

    * notes
    Tyrophagus amuse each other with banter while Crobolus ...
    http://www.eee.uci.edu/~papyri/forsett/notes.html

    * Rhetor translation
    his jokes or more energetic in his banter? ...
    http://www.comp.uark.edu/~mreynold/rheteng.html

    * T. Shippey on 'flyting' as the mediaeval dozens Review of PARKS).
    "Parks is well aware, it should be said, of the notion of "ludic flyting,"
    citing the modern teenage practice of "playing the dozens," and noting
    acutely the example of _The Owl and the Nightingale_, where there is an
    element of truth in what the disputants say, but where nevertheless the
    basic activity of the disputing birds is
       "And either seide of otheres cust
      That alre worste that hi wuste."
      ("And each said of the other's quality the very worst
      that she knew how to.")
    http://members.aol.com/ENVOIjrnl2/HTML/Shippey_4_1.html (Review of PARKS).

    * Some "dozens" references
    ABRAHAMS R. Playing the dozens. Jrl of American Folklore 75
                Talking Black. Rowley, MA: Newbury House Publishers.
    KOCHMAN T. The boundary between play and nonplay in black verbal dueling.
         Language in Society 12
    LABOV William. Rules for Ritual Insults.
         Language in the Inner City: Studies in the Black English
         Vernacular, Chap. 8. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.
    MITCHELL-KERNAN C. Language behavior in a Black urban community.
         Ph.D. dissertation. University of California at Berkeley.
                       Signifying and marking: Two Afro-American speech acts.
         In J Gumperz & D Hymes, eds.,
         Directions in sociolinguistics. New York: Blackwell.
    MORGAN M. The Africanness of counterlanguage among Afro-Americans.
         In S. Mufwene, ed., Africanisms in Afro-American language varieties:
         Athens: University of Georgia.
         In their 1998 book African American English
         (Mufwene, Rickford, Bailey & Baugh, eds), Morgan
         gives a very useful contextualization and theorization
         of some related ways of speaking, "More than a
         mood or an attitude: Discourse and verbal genres
         in African-American culture". She discusses at
         least SOUNDIN'/SIGNIFYIN', READIN', and INSTIGATIN',
         as well as the DOZENS, in terms of directness and intentionality.
    PATRICK P. AAVE Website.
    SMITHERMAN G. "If I'm Lyin', I'm Flyin' ". Introduction to The Art of the
    Snap.
    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/bibliogs/dozens.html

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