RT list: Minutiæ

In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:17:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dmdonvan@ix.netcom.com writes:
I'm not sure what J.L.'s point is.

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minutiæ.
When in doubt, my point is:  minutiæ.
But credit S. R. Chapman for bringing that to my consciousness  -- when she 
quotes from that book that -- being the Strawsonian I am -- I loved:  
Mundle:
"In the name of _ordinary_ language  Austin
demands standards of purity and precision of  
speech which are extraordinarily rare
except  among men who got a first in Classics Greats" 
--- cited by Chapman, p.  54.
(* And Strawson -- I'm reminded that what precipitated most about  that 
book was Strawson's alleged 'ethno-' or 'linguo-' 'centrisms -- as  Mabbot 
reminds us
in "Oxford Memories" got a _second_ in PPE -- so, to echo  Donovan, is Sir 
Peter wrong?)
D. M. Donovan may care to provide the  exegesis. I was just trying to be 
cute to D. Sperber. Doesn't he merit an "'s"?!  :)
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The rationale behind Chapman's use may be to consider "S  & W" in toto, and 
thus meriting only one 'genitive'? (In the Romance  languages -- and Greek 
and Latin -- it may be  different
la theorie de la relevance de Sperber et  Wilson
-- you skip the problem!
"However, he  argues that  Sperber ['s? -- JLS] and Wilson's
account, far from  clarifying [for  him] this matter, in fact
loses the significance  of the link between  relevance
without specification of  direction."
--- but must say  -- and I have reviewed Chapman extensively elsewhere, 
what amused bunches too  was the 'escatology'. It's rough 'kh' in Greek, and 
I'm never sure if Grice  meant to be innovative, or there _are_ classical uses 
of Grice's term which are  _not_ 'theological'.
(And, granted, -- to echo Alessandro C. -- Chapman does  quote Grice on 
'excretion'!).
Mind, I'm not obsessed with errata -- I  just happened to unbury the 
Chapman book and read my marginal notes to my second  reading! (She has "G. L. 
Warnock", -- I note, but the whole list of observations  I have considered 
elsewhere). 
But yes, people who met me have observed  that I use the proper vocabulary 
of a Great-War Tommy! 
(Chapman was  fascinated, apparently, that Grice would speak with "RP" -- 
as she hears her  tape -- 'fascinated in double double scare scare quotes -- 
academia being what  it is! -- since that is pretty much the term from an 
"English" professor. (I  never read Chapman's book on utterance and 'dialect' 
or accent -- but it  fascinates me, the issue, and hope it deals extensively 
with Scouse which I came  to love via Letter to Brezhnev -- Alexandra Pigg, 
I mean --  not the blonde  one. And she can do _Yorkshire_ to a tee, as 
anyone who's seen her delightful  'pub' lady in "A chorus of disapproval" can 
testify -- she _is_ adorable). (What  fascinates me of Chapman's research is 
that one may apparently _implicate_ --  i.e. manipulate -- things like that.
And mind -- I know the profile --  and if as a philosopher I chose Grice as 
my mentor was mainly to provoke my  ultra-conservative Lit.Hum. types 
around me -- and keeping accounts like Leech's  under my arm. Each 'discipline' 
find their own heros, and mine has been a good  one -- (or is it 'each to his 
own'?)
Mind: I detected a use of 'like'  (where he meant, I think 'such as') in 
Grice WoW ii myself -- can't quote right  now. But it would be a 'loose' 
thing, perfectly acceptable in a lecture.  
So, no, no 'hateful' here -- nor third-grade type, I trust. (How are  
others on this list at foreign languages?)
On a more parochial  (vicarious) level -- Hornsby loves 'vicarious' -- 
seeing that Grice was born and  bred in Harborne, wonder if his "Midlands" 
accent -- (Chapman makes a point  about Corpus -- Grice's college -- being 
"Midlands." -- would be detectable  sometime at Clifton or later). Could he have 
_manipulated_ that?
When I  met Alan Sillitoe and he signed my copy of "Lonliness of distance 
runner" he  wrote (vis a vis my query to him re a line in one of the stories 
therein), "To  J. L. -- and _yes_ I can still speak the lingo!"  (He had 
written in a  short story that he felt he could _not_ speak the 'dialect' of 
Notts. anymore --  having left for good. I just loved that, and I loved the 
man even  more!
(For the record, I have contributed extensively to the English  Centre for 
the Study of Dialect, and count me on reading Trudgill, "The dialects  of 
England" anyday to the latest novel by (Julia) Grice!)
Good night. 
Cheers,
J L Speranza
Bordighera
 
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