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From: robyn carston (robyn@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk)
Date: Sun Jun 23 2002 - 21:22:22 GMT

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    >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:32:45 +0100 (BST)
    >To: relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk

    >
    >Christoph Unger wrote:
    >
    >> This is a response to Randy LaPolla's posting:
    >>
    >> >> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:54:15 +0100 (BST)
    >> >>
    >> >> This is in responce to both Steve Nicolle's question about RT and other
    >> >> theories, and M. J Murphy's question about "The present king of France
    >> >> is bald".
    >> >>
    >> >> About five or six years ago I brought up the question that Steve
    >> >> recently brought up, and argued that RT is much more compatible with a
    >> >> functional approach to language, ... Language is a tool like any
    other tool,
    >>
    >> If language is a tool like any other tool then it is most appropriate and
    >> necessary to study the structure of the tool itself and not only the
    purpose
    >> that it is used for. In other words: not studying the formal properties of
    >> language as a formal system is certainly inadequate.
    >
    >I don't understand this comment. No functional approach only studies the
    purpose
    >and not the structure of the tool. The difference between a functional
    and purely
    >formal approach is in terms of explanation. A functional approach attempts to
    >explain the structures found by reference to their function in the
    activity the
    >tool is used in. A purely formal approach ignores the use of the tool and
    studies
    >the form in the abstract. The latter sort of analysis doesn't really tell you
    >much, though. For example, if we try to analyze the structure of a hammer
    without
    >reference to its use in hammering and pulling out nails, then there isn't
    much we
    >can explain about why it's structure is the way it is. All we can say is
    "Hammer
    >--> stick-like-part + heavy-part". Not very informative (cf. "S --> NP +
    VP").
    >Even using the term "handle" would bias the analysis, as the label derives
    from
    >its function. Personally, I am not interested in form for form's sake, or
    >"explanations" where formal structure is "explained" using formal structure
    >(thereby being circular--you observe a pattern, call it a rule, then
    "explain" the
    >pattern by saying it conforms to the rule). I am interested in understanding
    >communication, so factoring out communication from the study of language
    doesn't
    >appeal to me.
    >
    >
    >> >> and also part of and
    >> >> influenced by the overall culture in which it develops and is used: it
    >> >> is a conventionalized way of performing an action,
    >>
    >> I don't understand this: what does it mean that 'language is a ... Way of
    >> performing an action'? Producing an utterance (or another stimulus) is an
    >> action, but 'language'?
    >
    >What I meant was that the use of language in communication is like the use
    of a
    >hammer to hammer nails. It is part of the conventional way to perform that
    action
    >(communication/hammering nails).
    >
    >
    >> Also, once a certain way of constraining the interpretation of an utterance
    >> utilizing a given linguistic form is conventionalized, how does this differ
    >> from it being encoded in the language?
    >
    >As it becomes conventionalized it becomes a part of the set of conventions
    (the
    >tool) we call language, but it is still only an ostensive stimulus, not a
    code (in
    >the sense of a direct coding-decoding mechanism). Meaning is not in
    scribbles on
    >paper or in sounds, but is created in our minds by inference, attempting to
    >determine the communicative intent of the communicator in making the marks
    on the
    >paper or in uttering the sounds. (A good example of this is the fact that I
    >mis-spelled the word "response" in my original message, but it doesn't
    matter, as
    >it isn't what I say or write that is important, but what you infer I am
    intending
    >to communicate). (Studies of perception and cognition show that perception
    is also
    >not a simple coding-decoding; our eyes see only a small part of what our
    brain
    >"sees", the rest is filled out by memory and expectations, much as in
    >communication. As V. P. Ramachandran (a neuroscientist at UCSD) has said,
    >"Perception is an opinion".)
    >
    >
    >> >> In terms of the particular syntactic theory one uses to look at the
    >> >> linguistic forms that develop, any theory compatible with the idea of
    >> >> language as a way of constraining the search for relevance (essentially
    >> >> any theory that takes meaning and communication as basic rather than
    >> >> abstract form) would be OK. Halliday's Systemic Functional Grammar (and
    >> >> his whole way of looking at language and communication) is particularly
    >> >> compatible with this approach.
    >>
    >> Halliday's Systemic-Functional Grammar is particularly _incompatible_ with
    >> RT as it is based on a rather pure code model of communication (a
    >> "socio-semiotic" approach). It is also built on an inadequate account of
    >> context which it treats as given before the interpretation process and
    >> determined by the "co-text" and situation of utterance. For a detailed
    >> criticism of this approach from a relevance-theoretic perspective see
    Unger,
    >> C. (2001) _On the cognitive role of genre: a relevance-theoretic
    >> perspective._ University of London PhD thesis. Chapter 8, pp. 233-262. (I
    >> can send it as PDF files.)
    >
    >Halliday's approach to communication is certainly not a pure code model in
    the
    >relevant sense. He uses the word "code" (in scare quotes on p. xxx of his
    1994
    >Intro to Functional Grammar), but what he means is not the sort of code we
    are
    >talking about here. He is talking about a semantic code, and "Only the
    grammatical
    >system as a whole represents the semantic code of a language" (p. xxxi).
    Language
    >is a network of relations. His discussions of cohesion, one of the things
    he is
    >most famous for, also clearly point to communication being a lot more than
    simple
    >coding-decoding. He sees grammar as a paradigmatic system of choices,
    with each
    >choice affecting the interpretation in a particular way (relative to the
    other
    >choices), and with meaning (semantics) as the main organizing concept,
    rather than
    >a syntagmatic grammar that has structure as the main organizing concept. The
    >interpretation is certainly not deterministic, as with a code.
    >If by "treating context as given" you mean that what he calls the context of
    >culture and the context of situation (following Malinowski) and the
    co-text (the
    >history of communication up to the point a particular utterance is made)
    is there
    >already when someone produces an utterance, then I don't see how that is
    wrong (in
    >face-to-face communication--with texts of course they can be taken out of
    their
    >original context, but they will not necessarily be understood in the same
    way, as
    >pointed out by Reddy many years ago in his "Conduit metaphor" paper).
    That is not
    >to say that that is the totality of what is brought to bear in
    interpretation;
    >Halliday is one of the few linguists who emphasizes the importance of word
    order
    >(e.g. Theme-Rheme) in determining how an utterance is interpreted, as what
    comes
    >first influences how the rest is interpreted (in RT we would say it
    influences the
    >creation of the context of interpretation).
    >
    >
    >> >> Role and Reference Grammar is also
    >> >> compatible, and in fact I put a bit of this theory in the discussion of
    >> >> the motivations for different focus structures in Chapter 5 of the book
    >> >> Van Valin and I did together (Syntax: Structure, Meaning and Function.
    >> >> CUP, 1997). (I'm not sure what Christoph Unger meant by saying we
    >> >> 'attempt putting "pragmatic functions"
    >> >> into the syntax'--what we are doing is trying to show that pragmatic
    >> >> factors are the initial motivation for some syntactic patterns.)
    >>
    >> What I said was that I was not sure where Role and Reference Grammar stands
    >> with respect to 'attempting to put "pragmatic functions" into the syntax.'
    >>
    >> With 'attempting to put "pragmatic functions" into the syntax' I mean
    >> theories that include something like Lambrecht's (1994 _Information
    >> structure and sentence form_. CUP) "information structure" as layer in the
    >> grammar or use notions such as "topic", "focus", "foreground", "background"
    >> etc. as grammaticalized "pragmatic functions" e.g. As in Simon Dik's
    >> 'Functional Grammar.'
    >
    >We don't put these notions in the syntax. Topic and focus are not syntactic
    >concepts, but the frequent coding of a topic in a particular way or a
    focus in a
    >particular way can lead to the conventionalization of particular syntactic
    >patterns. For example, we (Van Valin & LaPolla 1997) argue that VP (a
    syntactic
    >notion), when it exists in a language, is the grammaticalization of the most
    >unmarked information distribution pattern (topic-comment; a pragmatic
    notion).
    >
    >
    >> >> Theories that are simply formal models and not based on communication at
    >> >> all (such a Chomsky's), I feel, are not compatible with this way of
    >> >> looking at language.
    >>
    >> Why? Generative grammars explain why certain structures lead to specific
    >> interpretations given the nature of the interface systems. It is
    designed to
    >> be supplemented by and interact with theories of utterance interpretation.
    >> Therefore it seems to me to fit rather well with pragmatic theories such as
    >> relevance theory which take the contribution of the linguistic form of the
    >> utterance to be (but a small) piece of the evidence for inferring the
    >> communicator's informative intention.
    >
    >Chomsky has explicitly denied that communication is an important function of
    >language (1975:56-7; 1980:229-30). Pragmatics, on the other hand, is all
    about
    >communication, so I don't see how the two are particularly compatible.
    >(Chomsky, Noam. 1975. Reflections on language. New York: Pantheon Books.
    >Chomsky, Noam. 1980. Rules and representations. New York: Columbia University
    >Press.)
    >
    >> >> The modular approach is particularly incompatible,
    >> >> as it assumes the modules are informationally incapsulated. The
    >> >> inference involved in communication is of coursed based on all sorts of
    >> >> information, and so the assumption of ostension and inference as the
    >> >> basis of communication implies language use is based on general
    >> >> cognitive abilities, not on informationally encapsulated modules.
    >>
    >> I don't quite follow what you are arguing here. In Fodor's modular
    theory of
    >> mind there are modules and there are central systems. On this view, one
    >> could of course say that the inferences in communication are handled in the
    >> central system and that the communicative principle of relevance is a
    law of
    >> this central system. This was Sperber & Wilson's view in the 1986 book.
    >> There is thus nothing in this modular approach which is incompatible with
    >> RT's outlook on communication.
    >
    >I will respond to your last point after I have read Sperber & Wilson's
    >"Pragmatics, Modularity and Mind-reading". (It should be pointed out, by
    the way,
    >since the question of empirical falsifiability was brought up during this
    >discussion, that Chomsky's "innateness hypothesis" is not an empirically
    >falsifiable hypothesis (see Comrie's 1989 book Language Universals and
    Linguistic
    >Typology, Chapter 1, for discussion.) The idea of the mind being modular
    is also
    >a philosopher's construct; empirical evidence shows that any
    specialization that
    >does develop in the brain does so after birth, through a process of
    >habitualization, not because of genetically hard-wired structure (see for
    example
    >the study of rewiring ferret brains (done by MIT neuroscientists) reported
    in the
    >April 20, 2000 issue of Nature).
    >
    >All the best,
    >Randy
    >
    >
    >------
    >Randy J. LaPolla, PhD
    >Associate Professor of Linguistics
    >CTL, City University of Hong Kong
    >Tat Chee Ave., Kowloon
    >HONG KONG
    >
    >ctrandy@cityu.edu.hk or Randy.LaPolla@cityu.edu.hk
    >Tel: (852) 2788-8075 (O)
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    >
    >
    >
    >

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