Re: The form of thoughts

From: J L Speranza (jls@netverk.com.ar)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2001 - 18:27:49 GMT

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    R. Stephenson writes re his essay in applied linguistics: "I am having
    trouble with a few details. I am trying to understand what form thoughts
    have based on RT. Specifically, I am trying to match Lakoff's and Reddy's
    idea that not all metaphors are propositionally based because metaphors are
    so inherent to our understanding of life that do not need a propositional
    counterpart to be understood."

    You might find of interest to know (if you don't know it already) that Z.
    Todd & B. Nerlich (of U.Leicester and Nottingham, respectively) hold a
    public "FLN" -- Figurative Language Network. The network was founded by
    Nerlich, Todd and D.D.Clarke and is currently being operated by Todd, who
    also maintains at Leicester an useful site with bibliographical and other
    info.

    Stephenson: "I know that S&W say that not all thoughts can be represented
    semantically (contra Katz et al and principle of effability), which may or
    may agree with Lakoff. In another place they write:

         The search for optimal relevance leads the
         speaker to adopt, on different occasions,
         a more or a less faithful interpretation
         of her thoughts. The result in some cases is
         literalness, in other metaphor (p. 237)

    "If I understand it correctly, it seems that both literalness
    (propositional statements?) and metaphors are a
    function of semantic representation."

    Literalness = proposional statement? What would a _non_-propositional
    statement be, pray? (:)). I think "literalness" is what _standard_
    philosophers (and linguists) :) refer to as truth-conditions, mainly
    (Davidson, Grice, Gazdar, Levinson)?

    "So again, what is the form of a thought?"

    Now, _that's_ a general question, if ever I heard one. :). Sounds almost
    Wittgensteinian. You may like to consult the (rather obscure, but could be
    worst. :)) work by Gricean author C.A.B.Peacocke, whose inaugural lecture
    at Oxford was precisely on questions of thought and content.
         Sperber recently circulated with this list biblio details on his book
    on _meta-representations_. This suggests that a metarepresentation, ala

    1. Utterer Intends Addresse Believes Utterer Believes It is Raining.

    is a representation of a representation (a la metalanguage is language on
    language). Therefore,

    2. Utterer Believes It is Raining

    would be a representation proper (cfr. Recanati?). Orthodox Griceans (like
    Peacocke) would, I believe, oppose the view that mental representations
    (_so-called_) are representations proper. It's a linguistic utterance which
    represent MENTAL CONTENT (see A. Avramides's book on Grice for MIT). But to
    assume that a mental representation itself represents leads to either some
    sort of a regressus ad infinitum or a naive homuncular theory of
    psychological/propositional attitudes (see R. Cummings, _Meaning & Mental
    Representation_).

          H. P. Grice himself develops a (promising, in my view) sketch of a
    general theory of representation in his _Studies in the Way of Words_,
    Retrospective Epilogue, pp.358-9.

          Also of relevance here may be JR Searle's contribution to the PGRICE
    festchrift (*P*hilosophical *G*rounds of *R*ationality: *I*ntentions,
    *C*ategories, *E*nds, ed. R. Grandy, Clarendon -- to which S/W also
    contributed), viz. "Meaning, Communication, and Representation".

         Best,
            JL
             Grice Circle



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