Re: RT list: Non-member submission from ["andrea.rocci@usi.ch" <andrea.rocci@usi.ch>]

Dear All,

To follow up this interesting discussion, I wish to point out that there is
a rhetorical device used mostly in classical Chinese poetry called “*lie jin
*” (stringing nouns) that involves the use of several NPs in one line, for
two or more lines. Each line can be developed, often rather subjectively by
the reader, into one logical form, with most of the colouring lost as a
result of enrichment.

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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Nicholas Allott
<nicholas.allott@gmail.com>wrote:
> Forwarded message:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I would say yes.
> >
> > Definitely the stanza has logical forms, even if it is composed entirely
> by "nominal sentences" (in the sense of  sentences with a predicate lacking
> a finite verb).
> > You have predicates, arguments, quantifiers ... you have everything you
> need to have a logical form. Certainly, you lack any mood indication, but
> that would be in every case a procedural meaning in RT.
> >
> > If we assume a sort of DRT-like semantic component it is not difficult to
> imagine how a DRS of that stanza would be constructed, inhabited by all the
> referents introduced by the text and restricted by the conditions on these
> referents  (there are seven stars, there is the water, the water is still,
> etc.).
> > The logical form/DRS would leave a lot underspecified, not only the
> world/s in which all this is supposed to hold true, but also things like the
> idea that the stars in the water are a reflection of the stars in the sky.
> Plus, there will be conceptual indeterminacy: what is a sin, exactly? What
> is the soul? What is for a sin to be located "deep" in the soul.
> >
> > But I think this pretty much to be expected that a logical form leaves a
> lot underspecified, especially in a RT framework.
> >
> > Best,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:
> owner-relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> ernst-august_gutt@sil.org
> > Sent: venerdì, 11. febbraio 2011 17:26
> > To: relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk
> > Subject: RT list: Non-sentential utterances, logical form, explicatures
> (e.g. in poetry)
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > According to the definition of explicature, it is dependent on an
> utterance having a logical form.
> > Question: when does a verbal utterance have a logical form?
> >
> > The first stanza of Oscar Wilde's poem "The dole of the king's daughter"
> > reads as follows:
> >
> > Seven stars in the still water,
> > And seven in the sky;
> > Seven sins on the the King's daughter,
> > Deep in her soul to lie.
> >
> > Does this stanza have any logical forms, explicatures (if only weak
> ones)?
> >
> > Any insights/comments appreciated.
> >
> > Ernst-August Gutt
> >
> >
>
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