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> Dear All,
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> I would say yes.
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> Definitely the stanza has logical forms, even if it is composed entirely by "nominal sentences" (in the sense of sentences with a predicate lacking a finite verb).
> You have predicates, arguments, quantifiers ... you have everything you need to have a logical form. Certainly, you lack any mood indication, but that would be in every case a procedural meaning in RT.
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> If we assume a sort of DRT-like semantic component it is not difficult to imagine how a DRS of that stanza would be constructed, inhabited by all the referents introduced by the text and restricted by the conditions on these referents (there are seven stars, there is the water, the water is still, etc.).
> The logical form/DRS would leave a lot underspecified, not only the world/s in which all this is supposed to hold true, but also things like the idea that the stars in the water are a reflection of the stars in the sky. Plus, there will be conceptual indeterminacy: what is a sin, exactly? What is the soul? What is for a sin to be located "deep" in the soul.
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> But I think this pretty much to be expected that a logical form leaves a lot underspecified, especially in a RT framework.
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> Best,
> Andrea
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:owner-relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ernst-august_gutt@sil.org
> Sent: venerdì, 11. febbraio 2011 17:26
> To: relevance@linguistics.ucl.ac.uk
> Subject: RT list: Non-sentential utterances, logical form, explicatures (e.g. in poetry)
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> Dear all,
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> According to the definition of explicature, it is dependent on an utterance having a logical form.
> Question: when does a verbal utterance have a logical form?
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> The first stanza of Oscar Wilde's poem "The dole of the king's daughter"
> reads as follows:
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> Seven stars in the still water,
> And seven in the sky;
> Seven sins on the the King's daughter,
> Deep in her soul to lie.
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> Does this stanza have any logical forms, explicatures (if only weak ones)?
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> Any insights/comments appreciated.
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> Ernst-August Gutt
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Received on Sat Feb 12 01:14:30 2011