Re: Relation of Grice's maxims and RT

From: Christoph Unger (ChristophU@t-online.de)
Date: Mon Mar 20 2000 - 18:53:50 GMT

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    >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:55:57 +0200
    >To: joerch.f@t-online.de (joerch)
    >From: Christoph Unger <ChristophU@t-online.de>
    >Subject: Re: Relation of Grice's maxims and RT
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    >Dear Joerch and all,
    >
    >let me respond just briefly to some aspects of your question:
    >
    >>
    >>I have been pretty much concerned with the following question: the
    >>relation of RT and Grice's co-operative principle and all its
    >>conclusions.
    >>
    >
    >>The trouble is: on the one hand RT's claims are pretty convincing; on
    >>the other hand Grice's maxims seem to play an eminent role in
    >>inferential processes. And from my (admittedly narrow) knowledge of the
    >>current pragmatic discussion, there are either "pro-gricecean" or
    >>"contra-gricean" contributions. This, as I said, has puzzled me for a
    >>considerable time.
    >>
    >
    >Sperber & Wilson (1986/95 _Relevance_) and Wilson & Sperber (1981 'On
    >Grice's theory of conversation') have not just put forward claims about
    >RT, but also argued - in my opinion quite compelling and convincingly -
    >that Grice's maxims can not explain inferential communication, i.e. that
    >they do not play an eminent role in inferential processes. When you say
    >that 'on the one hand, RT's claims are pretty convincing; on the other
    >hand Girce's maxims seem to play an eminent role in inferential
    >processes,' are you thereby saying or implying that RT's claims about
    >communication are more convincing than its arguments against Grice's
    >maxim-based account? If so, that would need a separate discussion.
    >
    >When you say that in pragmatics there are 'either "pro-gricean" or
    >"contra-gricean" contributions,' which side do you take RT to come down?
    >Probably not as "pro-gricean," because RT does take issue with maxim-based
    >accounts of pragmatics. Is it "contra-gricean"? Certainly not, because RT
    >owes a good deal of inspiration to Grice. The most important inspirations
    >are these:
    >
    >1. That (ostensive) communication is basically inferential.
    >
    >2. That whatever principles (or maxims) account for the inferential
    >processes in communication, they are based on whatever makes communication
    >rational.
    >
    >While Grice was trying to seek a rational basis for why people should
    >abide by the Cooperative Principle and the maxims, Sperber & Wilson argue
    >that cooperation is not crucial for ostensive communication; however, it
    >is rational for all speakers to form their contributions so that the
    >audience will not only attend to them, but that they will be able to infer
    >the intended meaning without unjustifiable processing effort (i.e. aiming
    >at optimal relevance, c.f. the communicative principle of relevance). Why
    >is this rational? Because of the cognitive principle of relevance which
    >says that human cognition tends to be geared to the maximisation of
    >relevance. In other words: RT cashes in on the vision which Grice had: to
    >account for inferential communication by finding a rational basis for
    >communication. It does so in a slightly different way: there is no
    >assumption of cooperation (no Cooperative Principle) and no maxims, and
    >the communicative principle of relevance is squarely rooted in cognition.
    >So, in a way one can say that RT is neither a "pro-gricean" nor a
    >"contra-gricean" contribution to pragmatics, but rather a "third way"
    >built on the central insights of Grice's contribution but advancing over
    >him in significant ways.
    >
    >
    >
    >>
    >>My "solution" is comparatively simple, perhaps too simple. If so, pls.
    >>provide me with some new input to my forthcoming thought processes!
    >>
    >>
    >>Why not seeing Grice's maxims as firmly entrenched in the encyclopaedia
    >>of certain culturally determined groups. (Well, enter sociolinguistics!
    >>Culturally determined groups is such a loose term. However, I don't see
    >>the need of going into further details here. Still, I presume that
    >>Grice's maxims vary in pretty much the same way as other "features" of
    >>language.) So, the maxims seem to be a result of certain conventions that
    >>individual's need stick to in order to facilitate certain human
    >>interaction processes (and thus to improve the degree of relevance!).
    >>Communication is one of these interaction processes which most of the
    >>time needs to be facilitated (I guess). Now, if I imagine a new member
    >>of (my western) society, he is likely to observe certain phenomena of
    >>communicational conventions over an over again. These observable
    >>phenomena can be seen as inputs to inferential processes. So once these
    >>experiences get processed, their status for interactional processes is
    >>likely to be reflected in the encyclopaedia of the individual as well.
    >>
    >>My "idea" now is, that the gricecean maxims may serve as premises in
    >>inferential processes. Once an individual is processing an utterance, he
    >>is at the same time in an interaction process. This offers the
    >>possibility that the initial context Sperber and Wilson describe in
    >>Relevance: Communication and Cognition could reasonably contain premises
    >>such as:
    >>
    >>if someone addresses me, it's a standard that he/she "is making his/her
    >>contribution as informative as is required (for the current purposes of
    >>the exchange)" and so forth...(Mind the first maxim of quantity embedded
    >>in this premise)
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Why and how should anybody arrive at such a conclusion, and if so, what
    >contribution will this make to comprehension or cognition? On the basis of
    >the relevance-theoretic comprehension procedure the audience arrives at an
    >interpretation of the utterance(s). No maxim of Quantity (nor any other of
    >the maxims) is needed to arrive at this interpretation. What could be a
    >reason that the audience engage in a post-comprehension inference process
    >to arrive at a maxim as a generalistion of verbal behaviour? That these
    >generalisations about verbal behaviour contribute some time to the
    >inference process? Why should this be needed when all one needs is to look
    >for relevance? I am really puzzled by this suggestion.
    >
    >The point is that the communicative principle of relevance is enough on
    >its own to explain the inferential processes in communication - this is
    >the soul of RT, and Sperber & Wilson (1986/95) argue for it in minute
    >detail. If this is convincing, there is no reason why should one try to
    >let conversational maxims slide in through the back door.
    >
    >Best,
    >
    >Christoph
    >
    >



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